Kimberly Manns

Kimberly Manns is the CEO of H3Diversity, a consulting firm that enables leaders to bring their whole selves (head, heart, hands) to the cultivation and creation of inclusive leadership, inclusive teams, and inclusive organizations.

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Tony Schwartz

Tony Schwartz is the founder and CEO of The Energy Project, a consultancy that helps leaders become bigger human beings and transformational leaders.

Tony has delivered keynotes, workshops, and trainings at Fortune 500 companies and organizations around the globe including Apple, Unilever, Microsoft, PWC, Google, Ralph Lauren, the National Security Agency, Stanford Children’s Hospital, and the Children’s Aid Society.

Tony has written over 100 articles for the Harvard Business Review, including “Manage Your Energy, Not Your Time,” which was selected recently as one of the five most influential articles HBR has ever published. Tony shared this honor with Peter Drucker, Michael Porter, and Clayton Christensen.

Tony has also written for publications including the New York Times, the Washington Post, Forbes, and Fast Company. Tony’s groundbreaking books include The Power of Full Engagement: Managing Energy, Not Time, which spent 28 weeks on the New York Times Bestseller List, and The Way We’re Working Isn’t Working: The Four Forgotten Needs That Energize Great Performance, which was also a New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller.

Tony graduated Phi Betta Kappa from the University of Michigan. As a journalist for the first two decades of his career, he worked as a reporter and staff writer for the New York Times, Newsweek, New York magazine, and Esquire

Tony is married to Deborah Pines, a psychotherapist. They have two daughters and four grandchildren.

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Tony Schwartz and Kimberly Manns: The Reckoning: Seein...

Who could you become if you fully allowed yourself to accept what you really want and go for it without reservation? What’s standing in your way? With their audio learning program, The Reckoning, celebrated leadership consultants Tony Schwartz and Kimberly Manns invite you to a deep-dive exploration of why you are the person you are, and who you can be—as a human being and a leader in today’s world. 

In this podcast, Tami Simon speaks with Schwartz and Manns about their empowering seven-session audio program and their own journeys through the material they continue to learn even as they teach it. Give a listen as they discuss childhood development and confirmation bias; white male privilege and power; superiority, worthiness, and “defender” personas; the insecurity of oscillating between better than and less than; the three selves framework; encountering your core self; IFS (Internal Family Systems) therapy; the Enneagram; somatic work and trauma healing; the brave act of personal evolution called “the reckoning”; re-parenting yourself; the profound starting place called noticing; becoming a “chief energy officer”; the collective reckoning for the human species at this time; upgrading the human operating system; the four intelligences—the mind, the heart, the body, and the spirit; the qualities of one who reckons; responsibility and ownership; and more.

Note: This episode originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at

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This episode explores the powerful role of Eros (sensual love) and Thanatos (death) in fueling our connection to the world as we contribute to the Great Turning. Joanna and Jess discuss how we might learn to see our world as our lover (and as our self), the gifts of cultivating a sensual connection with the world, and how facing mortality can make the gift of being alive feel even more precious. They also reflect on the closeness of Joanna’s own death, which Joanna sees as “going home” to rejoin the cycle of life.

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Jess will guide you through an adaptation of the Work That Reconnects exercise called “The Seventh Generation,” which she talks about in Episode 7. We recommend listening to the episode before doing this bonus. In this exercise, you will be invited to use your imagination and do some creative, guided role-playing with a friend, where one of you will speak as yourself, and the other will speak as a future being. 

For this exercise, you’ll need a friend and a place that is quiet enough for you to sit face-to-face and talk freely.  

We recommend starting a podcast club with friends or family to do these practices together. Links and assets to help prompt reflection and build community can be found with every episode on